Illuminati: Fritz Springmeier on things to come for God’s overcomers

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1:00 that's right everybody that's what we're here to do today we we are about to remove satan from this land and it is ours and we have the best person bringing in today first of all have my mother here with me as co-host here at patriotsperspective.com But we have the amazing Fritz Springmeier. Fritz is the author of several books regarding the Illuminati.

1:34 And Fritz, I just want you to take it away because you have a message for the people. And your background is so extensive that I was so impressed when I first read your bio. And the bio itself is just unbelievable. But you have spent time with people in the Illuminati. And you know exactly what they've done and what they're doing. and how we are going to defeat them and how we can overcome them. So I want to thank you very much for being here with us today and for just helping us all best understand what's really going on.

2:10 Thank you, Christy. Thank you both. I'm really looking forward to this time. Hello, all you listeners out there. Today, I'm going to be able to approach things differently than you often hear me do in these radio podcast interviews because the audience, you, the audience, from what I understand, are interested in hearing things from a Christian perspective.

2:47 And really, that's where I'm coming from. I was given a calling back in 1987, and I did my calling for a short time, and then it wasn't until 1990 that I really started fulfilling it. And the highest part of that calling was to expose the corruption in the churches. But in order to do that, one needs to understand the corruption of the world.

3:23 What I'm talking about today is information for those who want to be overcomers. And so a lot of people are really concerned about what we're facing. and what we're facing is overwhelming. And so I'm going to be going over some scriptures to start with that have been favorite scriptures of mine for the last three decades

3:53 that I've hammered repeatedly in my talk. And probably the most powerful one is 1 John 5, 4. And that is, faith is the victory that overcomes the world. Okay? By extension, that means faith is the victory that overcomes the world order. Or faith is the victory that overcomes the new world order. It's all the same. So that begs the question, what is faith? Right?

4:23 And the context of my talk today is that we are now in the new world order. A lot of listeners may not realize that or they might be in denial of that. But let me clarify that for you. We are now in the New World Order and high on their agenda is genocide. So that's the context of things. But let's look at faith, okay?

4:54 In Galatians 5, 6, it says faith works by love. Well, how's that going to play out? Faith works by love. Well, the most surest and safe way to defeat an enemy is to make him your friend. That is the way of agape. That is the way of Christ. And so we can't move forward in faith without love. We need love.

5:25 We also need hope. But what is hope? Well, it tells us in Romans 8, 24 that hope, that we're saved by hope. See, so we're actually going to continue hoping through all of these scary times, through all of these difficult circumstances. We're not going to give up our hope. But what is hope? It says it's something that's not seen.

5:55 So, people, you're not going to see the answer. What you're going to have to do is step forward like David, like Daniel. like Abraham, like Job. So let's take a look at Abraham and Job's faith. Abraham was tested. He had his son Isaac on the altar. And Job was tested. He lost everything. What is a common thread between those two events?

6:27 Well, both Abraham and Job realized that everything that they had came from God. And like Job said, God's given and he's taken. Blessed be God. So this is the attitude that we have to have. We have to be willing to lose something, to sacrifice. Because everything that we have, we've been granted by God and it's his. And so what he wants to do with our life, we need to accept and move forward.

6:58 And the other thing that goes along with this is both Abram or Abraham and Job truly, sincerely, deeply believed that God had their best interest at heart. We need to believe that God is good, and we need to understand that through all these difficult circumstances, God has our best at his heart. And that's difficult, and that's why some people fall away.

7:29 They suffer, and they go, oh, God doesn't love me. God doesn't care for me. I'm suffering. And we need to hold on to the goodness of God. That's an important factor in faith. If you're having problems holding on to that, just look out at beautiful creation. Look out at the stars. Look at that flower. Maybe that flower is growing through a crack in the concrete.

8:01 Maybe you see a tree like when I was in Yosemite Park at the top of this hill. that it was just solid stone and this tree had pushed right through the stone, cracked the stone, and it was growing through the top of this hill. It was most amazing. And you look at that and you realize what God can do with our lives. So nature declares the glory of God. And so even in the most difficult of circumstances,

8:33 you have an evidence of God, even if you don't hear his voice. So things are not always going to go like we want them. I've watched that over the years. Some of my brothers have blaked out on me because they didn't get microwave answers. But we go to the Psalms and Proverbs and it tells us, wait on the Lord, be of good courage, but wait on the Lord and he shall save you. So we need to have patience. We're not going to get microwave answers.

9:05 You're not going to pray. it's not like putting your prayer is not like putting a quarter in the vending machine and out comes your uh can of pop it's not like that but we walk forward just like abram just like like job we may not see the answer but we have hope and we have faith in the goodness of god and through that all God will teach us the deeper thing

9:36 of him and so these adversities and hard times that we're going to go through are going to deepen our walk with God isn't that wonderful it says the psalmist says out of the depth I have cried unto you oh Lord and so yeah we're going to be really we're going to be in some deep water so you know uh and i'm not going to blow smoke up your orifices because i know if i told

10:09 people what i i know is coming most people are going to be like deer frozen in a headlight that's why i'm talking the way i am one of the things that i have done in my and i guess you would call it a ministry what god's called me to do is as i expose evil and he called me to expose evil i have also on the other hand given hope to people so i give them i give them the the the dark

10:40 side and then i give them the light side or in this particular case today i'm giving you the the light side first and then i'm going to get into the darkness um so it says in the scriptures in Romans 8, that it doesn't matter how deep we're in, no depth shall separate us from the love of God. So just keep track of that. Now, when we approach understanding what's going on,

11:12 what attitude do we need to have? Well, it tells us in 2 Thessalonians 2.10, it says the love of the truth. That is a favorite verse of mine. The love of the truth will save us. Because a lot of people think that the truth will save us. No, it will not. I can hand you a Bible that's not going to save you. You have to love the truth. You have to open that, look at that, meditate on that scripture, look up each word in strong concordance. What did the original Hebrew say?

11:45 What does it really mean? Don't accept some translator's version of it. Don't accept some flaky minister's version of it. But find out. Pray to the Spirit. Use Lecto Divina. Pray to the Spirit and find out what does the Spirit want you to know about that verse. That's the love of the truth. That's what you need to know. That's what you have to press in. And the truth is oftentimes not as deep and hidden as people think.

12:19 It's just sitting there right underneath the surface. So you may not have to scratch as hard as you think. And then there's people like me who's done thousands and thousands of hours of research. I have worked with people that were in the Illuminati. They gave me their inside view of what's going on and what the Illuminati is about. And I will share some of that with you today. What is going on in the minds of the Cabal, the Illuminati?

12:56 What are their plans for you? When we look at people like Klaus Schwab, we look at George Soros. These are Illuminati members, people. Bill Gates, Illuminati members. These are Illuminati members. And what really bothers me, and I'm not going to be able to get into it today, but Putin, he's a member of an Illuminati Urlodge.

13:27 There's 36 Urlodges. He was a protege of Klaus Schwab. Now, what is going on with Putin? And he keeps acting like everything's going according to plan. Well, what's going on? Whenever we look at something that's happening, you need to look at the process. Don't look at the details. The details are oftentimes going to be confusing. For instance, when I'm going to try to help someone by giving a consultation or therapy or whatever you want to call it, and I'm listening to their story, don't hang on every detail like every detail is accurate.

14:14 But look at the process. And so what is the process? The process is Putin is totally destroying Russia, you know, and he's also taking the world down with them. Who is benefiting from this? Klaus Schwab and the Great Reset people, the Illuminati. It's not benefiting Russia. So when he says everything's going to plan and you see Russia being destroyed, what is that plan? It's obviously not to help Russia.

14:45 So we have what I've called spiritual midgets, and I apologize because midgets are great people, but we have people that have not a clue about spiritual things. They hate God. And those are the people, these psychopaths, these sociopaths, these pedophiles, these Satanists, they are running things. And it's horrible. It's horrible to think that these are the people that are making decisions for this world. And no wonder they want to genocide us. No wonder they want to get rid of the Christians.

15:28 But, you know, we are not to fear them. Fear is not from God. And fear makes us vulnerable. And it repeatedly in the scripture says that we are to have courage. And so let's go back to examples of faith. Daniel, he's in the palace of the greatest kingdom in the world at the time, and he's got his back to the wall.

15:59 He has very little resources except God. And it's counterintuitive to think, oh, that my food would be better than the king of Babylon's food. But he was a godly man and he realized godly food is better than worldly food. And we're facing the same thing today, you know. They're trying to limit our good food and they're trying to feed us poisonous food. And they're trying to limit our spiritual food.

16:31 And we need good food. You need good spiritual food. and just to realize that we're looking forward to food shortages coming up here. But Daniel wasn't afraid, and he stood on the truth, and he was not faint-hearted. And he could have died of a heart attack when he was thrown in with the lion, but he didn't because he had faith in God.

17:01 It's not something that you can logically think through. You know, logic doesn't get you through. If you're thinking logically, okay, the world order has blah, blah, blah, and I've only got this. I'm a little person. What do I got? You know, you start using logic, and you're not going to have faith. David, or I mean, yeah, David, he didn't fear the lion. He didn't fear the bear. He didn't fear Goliath. None of that was common sense.

17:35 None of that was logic, but it was faith. And that's what I'm calling you to do. You know, Job said, that thing that I greatly feared has come upon me. And that's a whole, I could spend a whole hour just talking about how our fears, we draw our fears to us in many different ways. In fact, the CIA, MI6, the Mossad, they watch people to see what their fears are, and then they manipulate their fears.

18:08 So the demons do the same. They watch, and they're going to manipulate your fears. So, you know, what kind of fears are being peddled by the world? Ask yourself that. because the spheres in your life are going to smother out the life that the spiritual life that God is giving you. Okay, so because people have fears, then they turn to illusions, false hope, which lead them to enslavement, to death and destruction.

18:41 so uh i want to i want to go i want to shift now to what's coming down the pipe i've given you a basic foundation a spiritual foundation and it's good to understand these fundamentals i know what i've been saying are the fundamentals uh having faith having courage you know what are the weapons of our warfare you know go back to the scriptures and see what the weapons of our warfare are

19:12 they're not worldly carnal weapons and um you know you may not think that love is a weapon but that's what i had to use against the illuminati i didn't have anything more than you when i faced the illuminati you know and um i've had to sacrifice i've lost a lot but god brought me through and it's because i know he's good i know as romans 8 28 says all things work together for good to them who love him and are called according to his purpose i believe that that's what abraham

19:49 believed that's what joe believed that's what david believed that's that's what daniel believed they all believed that god was going to bring good things out of their circumstances even though logically they couldn't see that there were answers but they knew god had their best interest at heart so you need to go back and have that kind of faith if you want to call it blind faith fine i would call it blind faith faith is blind right i mean in all cases yes we can't see

20:22 the answers but we know that god has them there for us so what kind of things do the do the uh do the illuminati want well top of the list is genocide and this one company that researches for the cia said that by 2025 the population of the united states is going to be 65 million well we have a 325 million or something like that don't quote me but that's approximately what we have in

20:59 this country probably more than that that's a lot of people that have to to die between now and then um how's it going to happen well you there there i i can speculate it's going to be this it's going going to be that, you know. Maybe they're going to demand some kind of a shot that's dangerous. Maybe they're going to have a pandemic. Maybe they're going to have a nuclear war. Maybe they're going to have a civil war. There's so many different ways, maybe all of the above.

21:33 Fritz, I just want to interject something really quick when you're talking about shots. And I believe you're exactly right, because one thing people don't realize is even as much as we love Governor Ron DeSantis, he has signed a one bill that could force vaccinate all of Florida, and people do not realize it. Yeah, so I spoke with y'all earlier, and you understood

22:05 that the world's a stage and the actors out there are, it's all a grand stage that the Illuminati's created. In fact, don't quote me on this. You can quote this grand master of the Illuminati. He told his daughter, and his daughter was one of the people that I was helping out Illuminati. He told her that the world's a stage. It's all just a big stage that we've created. And it's so true. They create this Hegelian dialectic where they create controlled conflict. And then through the controlled conflict, they get what they want. And we're watching that over there in the Ukraine.

22:51 um so uh so a control conflict that they have planned for the united states is civil war bill gates as i mentioned illuminati member and he said that uh this political polarization in the united states may bring everything to an end even civil war in the united states well let me discuss

23:22 something here and and i've been discussing it on a number of other podcasts it goes back to uh 1994 to the Rhonda gender genocide decades before that they the the powers that should not be discovered the exact wavelength to take anger and elevate it to homicidal anger so you have to be

23:59 really angry and then they beam this particular uh brain wave into you and it makes you so angry that you are are homicidal you kill and so they agitated the hutu and the tutsis which are two tribes in rhonda and they agitated them the final catalyst was is the hutu president was

24:29 killed and the Hutus went crazy. And the CIA flew a C-130 over the Hutus and beamed this into them. And they took machetes. They had a few rifles too, but mostly machetes. And they started hacking the Tutsi. And they killed somewhere between 600,000 and a million Tutsis. It was a genocide. They just went crazy. They killed men, women, babies. It didn't matter. If you were a Tootsie, they killed

25:05 you. Well, think about what they've been trying to do in this country. They couldn't take our guns away from us, so they're going to create a situation where we use our guns on each other. and they can create this brain wave using our cell phone so they don't have to fly C-130s over us. They can use our individual cell phone. So they have been creating this polarization in this country.

25:40 I've lived a fair amount of time. I date back to the 50s, And I have never seen the United States polarized like this. And there's no middle ground. You've got the liberals versus the conservatives. You've got issues like Trump, global warming, abortion, gun control, race. And there's no middle ground between the two sides. And, you know, they're getting right in our face.

26:13 those of us who believe in life and and what is abortion abortion to to those of us who are christians is murder you know there's no middle ground on that you're murdering innocent babies you know um global warming they're shutting down the economy supposedly we're going to starve you to help you um they're gonna you know like in in uh sri lanka and the netherlands they're going to shut down the farmers, supposedly to help us. They're going to starve us to help us.

26:47 There's no middle ground there. We don't want the other side. On the other hand, you look at people that hate Trump. I go online and I see, wow, every evil that's happening in the world, they blame on Trump. There's no middle ground. And so all they have to do is elevate that hatred up to homicidal hatred. And we're going to see some really bad times in this country.

27:18 And that's what I think. I'm sorry, Fritz. There's one thing I want to do to know. So in digital marketing, we use softwares, which kind of gauge what people are searching for, right? So if you just search news, Do you know Trump news is like the number two search term in the whole entire United States? And he's supposedly not even president, right? So why is that such a big deal?

27:51 Like, it's not Obama. It's not Biden. It's Trump news. People are so infatuated. No matter which side you're on, they're infatuated with Trump news. Right. So why do we have this polarization? Well, mainstream media, for instance, this Time magazine article says, well, the reason is racism, capitalism. They don't want us believing in capitalism and social media algorithm, which polarizes people.

28:22 No, I'll tell you what it is. It's the mainstream media themselves, because every time something happens, they're right there in our face saying, oh, that was a white supremacist. You know, it doesn't matter if the person was black. It doesn't matter if they were Latino. They're labeled a white supremacist that's, you know, doing something mean to blacks. The narrative is totally bogus, but they just keep hammering that narrative. Racism. and then people like George Soros are funding things like Antifa.

28:56 You know what Antifa stands for. It stands for anti-fascist, but if you look at Antifa and their tactics, they are the fascists. What a misleading name. They are doing exactly the same things that the Nazis did, and BLM is coming right behind them. All lives matter, not just black lives. and the people that started black lives matter are socialists so yeah they tell us capitalism is is what's causing all these problems well we we've had capitalism our whole history and we didn't get

29:32 polarized so don't don't give me that that's not what polarizing that's not what polar is polarizing us so yeah we have that coming up uh it's it's on it's on their agenda and And what else is on their agenda? The elimination of Christianity. And this, to really understand what I have to say on this, you would have to understand my work on trauma-based mind control, where they create people that are totally mind-controlled, they're programmed multiple personalities.

30:12 They have multiple personalities. And when they create these multiple personality systems, which are basically human robots that look like real people, if you were going to create a car, you want it to be able to go forward, backwards, left or right. So the same way with these multiples, they have a light side and a dark side. And a lot of our ministers out there are program multiples. and they're, you could call them double agents.

30:44 What you see is not what you're really going to get. They may be hardcore Christians now, but at a certain time, the Illuminati can say the right codes and do the codes to flip their system and they will flip from being a minister of the gospel to a Satanist. And so before this happens, I believe that they're going to try to discredit Christianity where people will fall away.

31:15 There'll be a great falling away from Christianity. Then they'll flip these systems and that will continue the process of the great apostasy. And then when there's only a few people of faith left, that's when they will activate these program multiples, their delta altars, to go out and hunt down the remaining Christians and murder them. So we're looking at some pretty heavy duty things that are facing the Christians.

31:46 So that makes some of these other things that I could talk about look rather lighthearted, like food shortages. You know, I mean, a lot of us may be able to weather food shortages. They have been working hard from every different angle to bring down the food supply. And they have created, through weather modification the last three years, droughts. Droughts in North America, droughts in Africa, droughts in Europe, droughts in Asia.

32:23 And I expect next year we'll see more droughts. And I expect that Europe, which is facing energy shortages, is going to have a cold winter. It's because they're modifying our weather. And that's another long, big subject. And it's not something that's new. People like myself have been talking about weather modification for three decades. And there's even a government bureau, U.S. government bureau, as well as many government agencies in many other countries, that their job is to modify the weather.

33:03 And so I just ask you why, when we've been having these drought, has our government not stepped in to try to modify the weather? But what has happened is, is you might ask, well, where's all the water gone? Well, we've been having flash floods. This year we had flash floods in Arizona. We had flash floods in Texas. I came through Wichita, Kansas, when they got nine inches of rain. I just hit at the wrong time when I was driving through Wichita.

33:40 And, I mean, you couldn't see out your windshield. The water was coming down so hard and flooding the street. Yeah, the water's been going into flash floods. That's where it's been going and running off. But like here in… Pardon me? Fritz, like two weeks ago here in Florida, we just had the biggest fertilizer production plant in the United States wiped out by, guess what?

34:11 By Hurricane Ian, along with a lot of houses and people. Yeah. But the fertilizer plant, the fertilizer plant, nobody's paying attention to that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Fertilizer prices have gone through the roof. I'll tell you, let me just talk a little bit about food production because, for instance, I have a friend who's a farmer. And if you fly over the United States and you're able to see the ground, those of you who are city folks, you may see these green circles.

34:48 Well, that's a center pivotal sprinkler system that's creating that green circle. It's irrigating that circle of land. It's called a circle. And so my farmer friend has two circles under irrigation. And what do you think he's going to have to pay in gas price to run the pump?

35:18 that pumps water for those two center pivotal sprinkler systems he's expecting to pay forty thousand dollars so see people don't understand the enormous amounts of of money that farmers are having to pay for their fertilizer for their water and if you don't have water if you didn't irrigate your crops here in in kansas in southwest kansas where i'm at there's whole fields of corn full fields of Milo that the farmers aren't even

35:54 harvesting because they're there they didn't even get enough because of the three years of drought you know and and so you go item by item you go food item by food item tomatoes or this or that and and you look what's happening with that crop and you will see across the board every different crop is down in its production level

36:25 so i'm going to uh stop here for a minute and give you a chance christy to ask questions because i know i've talked now i think approximately 30 40 minutes and um i'll give you a chance for questions and then i will get back to um okay my discussion so i i want to say that you know i definitely agree with you regarding the microwave answers you know in terms of uh people we are

36:57 taught to expect quick answers quick things we're used to used to amazon you know getting us packages within a day or or you know things that we may used to have to go out and look for and make till saturday to shop for because maybe you didn't have time um or what have you um in terms of you know what's actually taking place we have to we have to think about what what has changed within that the other thing that you had mentioned earlier is you know fear um fear when we um when we had an

37:34 an issue. I'm just going to remove my mom really quick. So whenever we had an issue with masks, right? So everybody put on their mask. They went for the CIA operation to show their fear. They also stood in line for the test and the other things that we stick in our arms. I'm not going to say it because I want this to be able to make YouTube. And whenever we do those things, we're basically showing that we are fearful, number one, and number two, that we have no faith

38:07 in God. So I just want to say, you know, to all of our Christian friends out there who do run out and get their tests and the thing that goes in your arm or put on a mask, that you are basically just showcasing your fear and buying into the propaganda. So I'm going to call propaganda on that, that they've, you know, that they have manipulated people's minds. And then when it comes to Putin, I know that there's going to be a lot of people, you know, have a lot of questions

38:37 regarding Putin. And you and I had had a conversation prior. And, you know, and I said, you know, please do share your thoughts on Putin, whatever they are. So can you give people an example of what you're thinking, you know, about Putin as a whole? Yeah, I've studied him over the years. And it's such a deep subject, I can't even hardly open it up without creating more questions

39:10 than answered. I think, okay, let's go back. In the 90s, I started exposing that they had synthetic people, robotoids, and doubles. All of these global leaders have doubled. In fact, That was going on back in World War II. Hitler had doubles. General Montgomery of the British forces had a double. Churchill had a double. You know, doubles have been going on a long time.

39:40 But then they have been trying to create synthetic people that are made, just created. there was a grand master that took his daughter down in the deeper levels of Dulce and he was showing people being made in test tubes. When I say test tubes, I mean they were glass cases where people were being created synthetics that are then programmed with the personality of the person there to substitute.

40:18 And this was quite a while ago. And he was saying, don't you ever think that when you see someone on the news or in public that you know who that person is. And so, you know, we can really ask ourselves, is this 70-year-old Putin the same Putin as what we originally had? You know, is Biden the original Biden? That's, you know, Hillary. She's tramping around. how many Hillary's are there out there, you know.

40:52 Going back to the scripture, what did Christ tell us? He said, be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. That's the message I've been preaching today. You know, I want to remind everybody, light is more powerful than darkness. So when you shine a flashlight and you turn that flashlight on, what allows light to overpower the darkness is it a battle is it an even battle no it isn't so people you can take the moral high ground you don't have to fear the darkness you can take

41:29 the moral high ground because there's power there for instance on the job this lady came by and took took something of mine and i walked over and i said that's mine and i just took it out of her hand she didn't resist that because i had the truth you see what i mean when you have the truth the moral high ground you've got power so do not fear these things you know and you can you can go you can point out i can't do it i don't have the time but you can go through perhaps and look

42:08 at older pictures of Putin and ask yourself, do we still have the same person even? No. According to Benjamin Fulford, there's a journalist, Benjamin Fulford, and Benjamin Fulford has done an entire series on Putin, actually, and showing that it is not the same Putin, that if so, this gentleman has not aged a day. As a matter of fact, he's gotten younger. And yes, I know that there's plastic surgeries and everything. Same with with even, you know, Biden and Hillary and many others.

42:48 I mean, if we just bother to look, but it's very hard because people are so deceived by the tele vision, it's very hard to get them to look. So, Fritz, do you have any advice for what a Christian can do to actually? I mean, obviously, you know, when you said earlier, pray to the spirit. And I want to clarify that you mean the Holy Spirit, I'm assuming, because there are going to be people that are saying, oh, he's saying pray to a spirit. No, I heard you say to pray to the spirit, which I'm assuming the only spirit you pray to is the Holy Spirit.

43:23 So I just want to clarify that for all those people out there that are going to try to point fingers and say that, you know, Fritz is praying to spirits. That's not what he said. So, I mean, is that what you would recommend as well, Fritz? You know, the spirit was upon all of those men of faith that I was talking about, you know, and the spirit empowered them. When I say the spirit, I mean the spirit of Yahweh, the spirit of the loving God that is the creator.

44:02 You know, and I'm not just, you know, and I don't even like to say Jesus because it's like to give you an example. People that are Hindu, they like this one Hindu. He runs up and says, well, I believe in Jesus, but he's not believing in Jesus Christ, believing in some God that they call Jesus. You know, so, yeah, there's a lot of fake out there. And those people that have had a genuine experience with the Holy Spirit, and he has left a witness of himself in us.

44:45 And although we walk by faith, although we walk by hope, we have seen these things. I have seen miracles. I've seen God use me in different ways. I've seen God do things around me. And that witness, just like David, had seen how God allowed him to take on a lion and win, how God had allowed him to take on a bear and win. Those build our strength. So then we move forward and we're now tackling Goliath.

45:18 Yes, we don't know. We can't see logically the outcome. But we know that God's worked in our lives before, and we know that the Spirit has led us. So it gives us a confidence. And so when we come to Christ, when we give our life to Christ, that's a lot of times when we see all kinds of miracles happen in our life. Well, people hold on to that witness that God's given you.

45:52 Hold on to what God's done in you. Maybe you may feel barren. You know, and I don't want to get off onto this, but you mentioned Mother Teresa. And one of the things, if you look at Mother Teresa's diary and her letters to her confessors and so forth, For most of her life, she felt like she was in a spiritual desert, that she was not in touch with God, that God didn't like her.

46:25 In fact, for a while, I'm not sure exactly how long, maybe a year or something, she even doubted that God existed. You know, she was in blackness. She was in darkness. You know, people, this should not be. you should have the Holy Spirit encouraging you. And you should have that witness. And you should be walking with the Spirit. And this is what men of faith need. You need that Holy Spirit in your life encouraging you, bringing you joy.

47:01 And we can have joy through all of it. It doesn't mean it's going to be pleasant. But we know that all things work together for good. to those who love god and are called according to his purpose and if you if you have the witness of the holy spirit in your life that very power and i've heard that demons absolutely hate to be laughed at fritz is that true from what you've um in your research with with the illuminati and

47:31 and the people who are on the dark side that they hate either having no attention or being just outright laughed at well i've never i can't say that i can validate that what i would the way i would describe it is a little different and that is if we look at christ's life okay when christ went somewhere what did the demons do they fled he had so much life that they didn't want to be

48:04 around them. And that's what I'm encouraging people to do is take the moral high ground. Have so much light in your life that evil people don't want to be around you, that demons don't want to be around you. You don't have to go into a room and start casting out demons in the corners and here and there and putting holy water or whatever some people do to cast out demons. You don't need to do that. If you are like Christ, where your life is so Christ-like, the demons don't want to be around you. They just don't. You don't have to mock them. I don't think it's really good to mock evil. I have never encouraged Christians to mock evil. I've been in some churches where they're mocking Satan. And honestly, Christy, those people don't even have a clue how Satan has them totally out-clacked.

49:00 And, you know, without God, we cannot take on Eve because they have us totally outplapped. We need God and his power or we cannot deal with what's coming at us. Just like Job couldn't deal with what Satan threw at. What about the rituals? because, you know, when I was even messaging you about Mother Teresa, I'd gotten a text from a local friend who was inviting others to like a Mother Teresa prayer.

49:39 You know, and these, in my opinion, they are, you know, the Catholic Church and even other churches, you know, they will literally utilize these people's names as though they're rituals. and and i think that people number one they don't realize how there's a potential of evil that these people have had number one they're you know and this is my opinion i know a lot of people out there are going to get really upset by this but i truly believe mother theresa was part of

50:11 the illuminati nobody makes it that high up i mean i know a lot of great nuns and you know they didn't, they're never, you know, they've done notable things as well, but, you know, they're not part of the, the system. And with the system, you know, she's been, um, condemned in, in India for other things. And I'm definitely not trying to put this on you for it at all. Uh, but, you know, it's concerning to me that, that Christians and, you know, are out there

50:43 needing an icon to go and pray to, you know? And so I immediately see that as like some ritualistic behavior that the Illuminati created that they want us to be a part of. Like because then it continues and it continues. Instead of going directly to Yeshua and having the Holy Spirit inside of us, we're taught, you know, oh, you need to go pray to the Father. No, you don't.

51:13 you have, if you have the Father inside of you, you already, you know, He is the Holy Spirit. So what would you say to that, Fritz? Okay, so what you've talked about touches on a number of spiritual principles that are good to share with our listeners. By the way, this was titled Overcomers. And one of the things that I haven't gotten to, so I'm going to get to it before I go back to your question was god has been calling us to arcs of refuge certain areas of the of the

51:52 world and united states that are arcs of refuge i've been participating in that and he's he's calling people also to overcome our fellowship overcome our fellowships are small tight-knit groups of like three believers that are on the same wavelength that have each other's back that will be a support system for each other to go through these hard times so god is moving in his people he is answering uh he is providing for his people the direction i just want to get that

52:28 across before i go back to your what you were talking about now going back to the kind of things that you were saying about Mother Teresa. It brings up a number of spiritual principles. I want to go through these spiritual principles because they apply just not in dealing with Mother Teresa, but life in general. First is, I never judge anybody. That's God's responsibility. Who gets to heaven is his responsibility. I'm not going to usurp his power.

53:00 I'm not going to run ahead of him. He can bring into heaven whoever he wants. So the eternal destiny of Mother Teresa is his job, not mine. But I can bring into question some of the things that she does or has been associated with. For instance, she was good friends with the Masonic P2 master, Gailey. You know, that's like, why would you be good friends with this Masonic criminal?

53:30 I don't know. So her money that she was given, billions of dollars, went into the Vatican Bank. What was the Vatican Bank all about? Well, if people start researching the Vatican Bank, you see it ties in with P2 Freemasonry, the Mafia, the Illuminati, all this criminal activity. and her money that she would be given large sums of money was basically left in the vatican bank

54:01 uh for them to use uh you know it was it provided a foundation and why did people give it and why did she not use it for the poor people you know these are the kind of questions that somebody could ask. I mean, why? You know, there was a guy named Don McGuire. He was a Jesuit who for 40 years buggered boys. And people kept trying to expose him, kept trying to expose him. The Catholic

54:37 Church and the Jesuits kept protecting him. And why did Mother Teresa go to bat for this guy? I mean, maybe she was used by people. You know, maybe she was innocent and she was used. I'm not going to badmouth the good things she did, you know. I mean, I think it's wonderful that she had a heart for the poor. Some people say she didn't. Okay, well, that's, you know, I can't judge Mother Teresa's heart.

55:10 But I can ask questions about why was she involved with some of these things? And why were people like the Clintons involved with Mother Teresa? Were they just trying to use her to make themselves look good? Or was there something else involved? You know, I don't know. These are questions that people should ask. But when it goes back to using a ritual prayer, here's the thing that the world does.

55:43 Here's the principles. The world wants to control the world. And how do they control the world? They want rituals. They want formula. And that's what witchcraft is all about. Faith in God is the opposite of that. and you know pharmakia which is going to be big in in the end times and we're seeing that you know the big pharma they're big in the end time pharma is they've got their formulas you know

56:16 that's the way the world does they want to control they want to be able to control the world the the truth is is we can't control things we have to depend on god so it's two different outlooks and a lot of christians unfortunately are trying to use the world's methodology to be a christian and and we need to draw close to god his power and his light be in his will and let him be our effectiveness you follow that people god is our effectiveness

56:54 not these formulas not not these rituals not this witchcraft there's white witchcraft being used in the churches if you understand which what witchcraft is a lot of these churches are using white witchcraft and and christians don't even know what witchcraft is okay so that's my response to fritz um i think it goes back to the first commandments in the ten commandments and it says

57:27 thou shall have no other idols or gods before me which is idols and i think we've seen in the last couple years, and I'm probably guilty of this myself, because, excuse me, of not knowing kind of what was going on when, you know, when the lockdown came, and you probably of all people, because you've written your books, you've known about what was coming, and you've talked about what was coming, but I think we make idols out of certain people, and even make idols out of people

57:58 who are telling us about this because, I mean, your name's a pretty big name, you know, in all this. And so when we think, oh, we're going to have Fritz Springmeier on the show, he's going to tell us about this and that and the other thing. And really, I think there's a fascination, maybe a little bit too much on the other side with the dark side. And people are following these, you know, I'm sure Satan's pretty happy with it. You know, we are learning, yes. But is there a, point, and I think you're kind of wanting to share this with us today about being an

58:34 overcomer instead of delving into the spiritual, the black spiritual side of things. And with like Halloween coming up, it's a big thing because there's a lot of our friends, and we even had this discussion down at our pool the other day. Well, it's my favorite holiday of the year. You don't have to worry about buying gifts and you can just dress up and go out and do this thing and that thing. I think even as Christians, we make idols of a lot of different

59:05 things and people, the pastors, the people that are informing us about all this Illuminati stuff and all that. And we spend our time focusing on that. And even Mother Teresa, because I know people that just adore her you know well we definitely want to look out there at good examples and emulate good examples and you know in hebrews 11 it gives us a roll call of different

59:40 men of faith and we're to emulate them so uh there's a place for us to see abraham's example uh job's example and say oh you know that was a good example and i want to follow it um but there is a place where you can cross the line and uh uh put a little bit too much idolization on a person i would say this when i started exposing the world order

1:00:10 back in 1990, the world totally ignored me. Like there would be a conference, like at the convention center in Portland where I live, and there would be all these booths. Well, mainstream media would come in and they would interview their double agents that were supposedly against the world order, supposedly Christians trying to fight the new world order. They would interview them and show them on the news.

1:00:41 But someone like me would be ignored. So for many years, I was ignored. So the point I'm making is when you see these actors on the world stage, the world is creating the stage and it's bringing the actors that it wants. And I've been pretty well ignored. If you guys saw what I did, all the books I've written and the information I had, some of the information I had, it's gone nowhere.

1:01:20 I was just, I hate to say I was a little discouraged. But for instance, back in 19, I think it was 1992 or 93, I'd have to refresh my memory. I came out with a list of 200 Vatican officials that were Freemasons. I gave their membership numbers, their secret Masonic names, the dates that they were initiated. I mean, I exposed these 200 Vatican officials and nobody was interested.

1:01:57 And I was like, oh, you know, I was ignored. so do you think they did they start to attack you at that point i mean is that when you know because i know that you had said in another interview that you had gone to prison i mean did like did they start to attack your finances or how did how did that work like i've been attacked since day one practically but the the the intensity of the tax has has varied what

1:02:30 happened with me is i was trying to be i was using gradualism against them and i was trying to be very strategic so i was very low-key in what i did but i came out with the be wise of serpents book this massive book exposing their system of systems in 1991 and they watched me for three years and in 1995 is when they hit me from every angle they could to take me down and it was only the lord's

1:03:07 doing that they didn't take me down um so while i have been while there's been some persecution it hasn't been at the same level all the time and uh after i went to prison uh they had backed off and um it was like they they figured you know they've ruined my reputation uh they don't have

1:03:37 to worry about me uh being able to have any clout there with the mainstream uh people because as far as i mean some people you know when they've met me they've said oh you're just a blah blah blah blah blah they pull up every negative thing that's out there on the internet and they don't even want anything to do with me they hate from me so uh the damage has already been done to to my reputation

1:04:10 And so they didn't have to do anything more to me after I got out of prison. In fact, what they tried to do was is the Illuminati Kingpins actually went through a phase where they tried to recruit me, but it didn't work. So, yeah, it's been I've been through different phases of things. there's been attempts on my life the attempt on my life actually repeatedly

1:04:47 God worked miracles to save my life and it just showed me how dear I was to him so what the enemy meant for for evil God used for good in fact it says in the scriptures in Job that the web they make will ensnare them. So I'm just wondering, will that have a broader application to their web that they have created via the Internet?

1:05:22 Will it have a broader application there? That certainly is a web to ensnare us. And so will it follow this scripture that it will ensnare them? You know, the things that traps, the holes that they have dug for us, they will fall into. So I've already seen some of that. Can I ask you this question? Were you using the web in the early 90s?

1:05:52 Were you one of the ones for your research? Well, for research or your books or. Well, the web didn't amount to much back when I was researching back in 1990. The majority of what I did is old school. And people would ask me, well, where did you get all this information? I got it from anywhere I could.

1:06:24 But I love researching in libraries. And the kind of libraries I like to go to are like Library of Congress. I would interview people. I have interviewed lots of people. I would use documents. I would go out to locations. I would use any old school method of research that you could think. So in the early years, I really didn't use the internet much because there wasn't much out there.

1:07:00 It's changed a lot now. So can I ask you, you can say yes or no. How did you find the 200 names that were involved in the high-powered names? There were two people that gave their lives to get those names. So, yeah, that's another thing that bummed me out, is people died to get those names, and then nobody cares. So, whatever, you know.

1:07:31 Yeah. Yeah, because they don't value life. Pardon me? They don't value life. They don't value our lives. It goes back to 2 Thessalonians 2.10. They don't love the truth. Right. I mean people that love the truth gave their life I had a friend David Hill I just got an email today about somebody who knew David Hill and I haven't answered the email because I've been tied up with this

1:08:02 but David Hill was somebody who was on the other side and he went to South America and had a mountaintop experience where he gave his life to Christ and he was writing a book to expose all of this And he knew what I was about. And he sent me a copy of his manuscript. I was very fortunate that he did, because right after he sent me that manuscript, he was killed. He was martyred. no no so you have manuscripts of you have manuscripts from people like that that you've

1:08:38 also been able to put together some of the information on right and i know you wrote a book with cisco with cisco wheeler as well right yeah so i mean you've you've definitely been on the inside um of everything and listen fritz we really appreciate your time today and um everything that you've done to, you know, really expose the truth because the truth, the Bible says the truth will set us free. And, you know, we're supposed to do unto others as we would have others do unto

1:09:11 us. That's actually one of the main reasons I do what I do because, you know, in the very beginning, I basically, you know, saw people that, you know, the justice system wasn't working. They needed to get their story out. My friends in mainstream media who are great journalists were having the stories kick back from their producers. And basically they encouraged me to get the stories out. And I encouraged them to stay in the news media so that we would know what stories were getting kicked out because without them there, we wouldn't know these things. And they do follow

1:09:46 the channel and they know things themselves because consciously, you know, they are taking many of our stories to their producers and doing their part. You know, they can't approve them, but they're able to see what's happening firsthand and at least be on the inside and let us know. And much in the way, we do pray for the people, you know, to come out of the Illuminati and for people to really see the truth, you know, and even for the Christians that are out there

1:10:17 that think that they have faith, you know, faith is the unseen. Faith is not going and getting in line and falling for what the cabal is offering you today. And eventually, I do agree with you, Fritz, that it's going to come a time where it's going to be food and the food could be poison. So just be careful where you get your food from, where you get your knowledge from, and where you get your power from in terms of, you know, because Jesus says that we will do greater things than he.

1:10:48 And if we believe it, we will do it. And if he can turn, you know, water into wine and he can turn, you know, one fish into feed 40 people, then he can. I've overcome the world. Yeah, exactly. And so, you know, and if we don't believe it, you know, and for it, sometimes I have a hard time even understanding why people don't believe it. And then I see that they're what they're doing. And I'm like, obviously, they don't believe they really don't believe they they say that they do. They go to the and basically, I'm going to call it a ritual because it is a ritual of all you're doing is going to church on Sunday. It is a ritual. If you're waking up to read the Bible at 3am. God didn't say you have to wake up and read the Bible at 3am. Okay, he said we have to have faith. That's what he said. So if we don't have faith in what we're reading, then you might as well.

1:11:41 I mean, I'm not saying don't read it because I want you to, I want people to keep reading it, but you have to act as though, you know, not just know it because, you know, I feel like that's where we're at the point where they, people know it, but they don't act like they know it. And that's where I'm getting super frustrated with people in general as to why we don't have the faith, you know, why we don't proclaim the power, why we think we need a certain oil or why we have

1:12:15 to, you know, light a tree on fire to smoke out the demons. No, you don't. You don't have to have any of that. We have the power of the Holy Spirit. People, I want to remind you that evil contains the seed of its own destruction. And to make a comment on what you just said, it says that we get faith through the word of God. And the scriptures tell us that. So yeah, the word of God is important for us to have faith. But like you say, it's not a, it can become an idol in itself.

1:12:52 Yeah. I mean, I think that we all have to be very careful. And listen, I know that there's plenty of people out there that think that I don't do the right thing, right? That I say the wrong things. I don't do the right things. But the reality is, you know, I, I do have the Holy Spirit within me and I have the faith of David. You know, I think that we can take down Goliath. I think we can, um, we can overcome a lot of what they may try to throw at us or what they are throwing at us. But at the same time, you know, there's the book of revelation that tells us

1:13:23 what's to come and we have to be prepared for that mentally, physically, um, mentally, you know, mentally and with each other and not not succumb to you know what what you know their the real weapon is you know when whenever you know people are out there and listen i i love you know our second amendment but the reality is our biggest our biggest weapons as you said are agape and love and um the power of prayer you know that is a weapon that the enemy does you know they have

1:13:57 no power against that whatsoever, you know, so. Our effectiveness is God. That's right. Well, Fritz, I'm going to, I know that you've got children and I know that you're recovering from an injury. I'm going to post the link to your give, send, go. Yeah. How is your hand by the way? Well, that's a long story. So I'll skip that. Okay. You're so gracious when it comes to yourself.

1:14:27 But I know that people are going to want to help you. So we're going to we actually are going to have your books and links on Patriots Perspective dot com forward slash Fritz dash Springmeyer. So I will get the links from your links exactly to the books where they should purchase them from you, because I know that you'd said before that, you know, some of the books out there are not the most updated ones and that you want people to have the most updated books. We'll make sure to get them in the right path.

1:14:59 And then also to your gifts and go if they would like to help support you and your work and especially in your time of recovery. We really appreciate you coming on and doing the interview with us. And I think this is also going to air on Right On Radio. So we want to thank Jeff at Right On Radio for airing the broadcast as well so that the message can go even further. And Fritz, I hope to have you back on soon. You're welcome here anytime you have anything that you want to say. And we're very grateful for you, brother.

1:15:31 Is there any last word that you would want to say, Fritz? I wanted to clarify one thing. So my website, Pentrax.com, doesn't have the icons to purchase my book. So if people are interested in getting my book, they should email me. I'm having problems getting supplies, but if they email me personally, maybe we can work something out in the long run. So I wanted to clarify that.

1:16:03 Okay. So Fritz, what I'm going to do is I'm going to set up a page specifically for your books. And that way they can either fill in their details or whatever. but that way we can just in case you get a lot of requests um we can you know i'll i even have a publisher that may be able to help you we can talk about that off air um if you need any help but um yeah i mean i know a lot of people are probably going to be very interested in in them in general so um i'll do whatever i can to help you get them out to them whatever works um whatever

1:16:38 works for you. Do you want to give out your email address or do you want me to just put it in the link description below? It's Springmeyer's messages. It's my last name, Springmeyer, S-P-R-I-N-G-M-E-I-E-R messages at hotmail.com. Okay. Perfect. Perfect. Any other closing remarks, Fritz, did we get everything? You know, one thing that I didn't mention, but I mean, everybody's aware, but we've got

1:17:12 the central bank digital currency coming. You know, that's part and parcel of why they want to collapse the food supply. And that's what the Bible describes as the mark of the beast. So I failed to mention to the listeners that the Illuminati, believe it or not, but this is what they're doing. The Illuminati have read the book of Revelations and they are doing an apocalyptic Armageddon script.

1:17:43 They are actually trying to imitate what they have seen in the book of Revelation. So they are bringing in the four horsemen. that's what we're facing is the four horsemen. Yep. Yep, definitely. They're emulators, people. They're like… So, Fritz, are you saying that that's their four horsemen or it's God's four horsemen? They are…

1:18:14 I think God is allowing them to fulfill prophecy because they, surprising as it seems, it's just like Job was tested by Satan. But, you know, I think that God has allowed their, they have a lot of pride. And they think that they're going to come out ahead on top by bringing in this apocalyptic script.

1:18:44 And one of their fronts is the Watchtower Society. And the Watchtower Society has been going door to door throughout the world warning about Armageddon. So this is their agenda, is to create Armageddon. But it's also what God has prophesied. So you're talking that Jehovah's Witness is on the light side or the dark side? Or the light side of the dark side? says the jehovah's witnesses organization is the watchtower society they are a front for the

1:19:21 illuminati and i've exposed that in a number of my books interesting okay well that's for a whole other day fritz i mean we need to have another discussion we're gonna have we're gonna have lots of i'm sure people are gonna have lots of questions for you and i'm sure that your books answer the majority of those questions. Everybody, please make sure that you do order the books. Fritz, I'm going to be first to place an order. Let's put it that way. And yeah, and then maybe we can

1:19:58 have a roundtable book club for the people who purchase and still have questions because I'm sure that i mean your your wealth of knowledge and research i mean what you've been at this almost what 40 years every 40 years right yeah yeah so yeah so maybe with a cliffhanger fritz yeah part of the system you don't have to answer that. Say again. Is Trump part of the system? I said, you don't have to answer that.

1:20:38 You can wait for next time. I refer back to some of the things I've said today, but I have consistently said that Trump was the front man for a faction of the elite. So, and I've consistently said I would rather have Trump than Hillary. but

1:21:09 you also have to realize that that like so many people they can be a mixture of good and bad and so there are things that Trump does that are reprehensible but I am thankful for all the good things that he's done and I think Like, Fritz, I'm going to go back to what you even said, even about Mother Teresa as a closeout.

1:21:42 It is not for us to judge any people. And, you know, they can turn at their deathbed, you know, too. So, you know, and it's really not for us to judge them. But it's also we should not be worshiping them, you know, any of them for that matter, either. You know, there's a lot of people that think he's going to save America, you know. Well, if anybody's going to save America, he's even said himself that God is going to save America. So if they should, they should actually listen to him and quit worshiping him.

1:22:14 So let's just leave it at that. How about that? That way that the Trump lovers and the Trump haters maybe will actually listen and just go to their Bibles and have faith. That's the message I want to leave anybody with. Fritz, what message do you want to leave people with? Faith overcomes the world, the new world order, and evil contains the seed of its own destruction.

1:22:47 Think of that, people. Yep. And we're going to close out at that. Everybody, go online, follow PatriotsPerspective.com. We're after the truth and giving you the truth with people like Fritz. And we appreciate all of you listening and God bless you. And remember, do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Amen.