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D. B. Cooper, JFK and Watergate are brought together in Michelle Stefanick’s sixth episode on Patriots Perspective. Michelle explains why she believes the 1971 skyjacking belongs in her broader historical timeline, drawing on documentary excerpts and a Cooper Vortex interview with author Bruce A. Smith.
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D. B. Cooper, JFK and Watergate are brought together in Michelle Stefanick’s sixth episode on Patriots Perspective. Michelle explains why she believes the 1971 skyjacking belongs in her broader historical timeline, drawing on documentary excerpts and a Cooper Vortex interview with author Bruce A. Smith.
The episode revisits JFK Revisited and Cold Case Hammarskjöld, discusses the Netflix series D. B. Cooper: Where Are You?!, and considers aviation knowledge, parachutes, special forces and possible escape support. Michelle’s proposed connections between these events, and her claims about JFK and RFK surviving their assassinations, are unsubstantiated theories. Podcast speculation and documentary interpretation are not established findings.
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0:02 again I thank you for this opportunity and again my conjecture is and remains JFK was not assassinated on November 22nd 1963. what was proven on November 22 1963 at that time was the legal definition of conspiracy the attempt to assassinate the president of the United States of America this is now part six of this multi-part series as I prepared this PowerPoint called President John F Kennedy assassination attempt November 22nd 1963 to assist with this further Deep dive including applicable visual photo video clips to accompany my remarks even deeper than my previous remarks ready to continue and again as we proceed I want to hear your and your audience's questions
0:57 comments aha moments along the way to make sure I've already addressed a question later in the series and a pulse where you are as well particularly your aha moments okay oh it's going to be very interesting all the twists turns and where we end up surprises and aha moments all along the way so we will now go to part six of the PowerPoint to continue our journey okay so now for this part I have no doubt you and your audience will be stunned where we end up this link that we make however in order to get there we
1:39 first need to go back back to pertinent documentary Clips previously shown and discussed during part three and now things are going to get even more interesting so I'm going to replace some segments from Oliver stones November 20 21st JFK Revisited Through the Looking Glass starting with this segment I'm going to be playing it from 134 53 to 134 135 10. sorry about that again we will play this one from 134 53 very alarming can you tell us that President Kennedy that I'm not a full control of my life yeah okay so this is for the timeline in April of 1961 time frame President Kennedy
3:45 supposedly told the French Ambassador quote I'm not in full control of my entire government I'm not in control of the CIA when was JFK sworn in as the President of the United States January 20th 1961. in just months later April 1961 this discussion supposedly made so next I will continue playing on from 135 11 to 137.45 it's regarding JFK and the Very relative and relative relevant context to Africa the past but with significant impact to this day and still to this day in 1960 the Congo had then granted its independence from Belgian colonial rule and carried out a democratic election in the disorder of the transition the belgians backed by England and France
4:53 sought to eliminate its charismatic prime minister Patrice lumumba Eisenhower and CIA director Alan Dulles favored the European nation in this Colonial conflict Eisenhower gave the go-ahead to have lumumba assassinated Kennedy never knew this he gets elected the following November of 1960 and he heads in the opposite direction there's always new States and we welcome to the ranks of the free we pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have passed away merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny but events are already in motion where the backing and predictions U.S intelligence and arms Colonel Joseph bobutu's forces captured president lumumba at the beginning of December 1960.
5:54 the U.S Secretary General calls JFK who's the president-elect at this point and asked him to intercede to get lumumba released from prison when Kennedy intervenes to save La mumba that's a signal directly to the CIA that they had to dispatch this guy immediately and so 48 hours before Kennedy takes the oath of office La Mumba is delivered into the hands of his enemies he's taken out a shot in the head Kennedy doesn't know this until a months later who finally tells him the CIA no they still keep it a secret he's informed by his U.N Ambassador Adeline Stevenson his face crumples he's holding his hand he's grimacing in anguish
6:41 hearing about the assassination of Patrice lumumba within a very short period of time after the assassination hammershaw died in a mysterious plane crash the photographs of his body as the only one not burned or charred and he had a playing card reportedly the Ace of Spades stuffed into his shirt collar above the knot of the tie there are controversial documents that indicate Alan Dulles was in the under the sabotage of the plane were you aware of any of this the Ace of Spades right above the necktie and now I'll show again from 129 45 . to 130 15.
7:51 I never realized Kennedy was so dangerous to this establishment is that why and it's a real question isn't it why the how and the who is just scenery for the public Oswald Ruby Cuba a mafia keeps on guessing like some kind of polygon prevents them from asking the most important question why is Kennedy killed who benefited who has the power to cover it up "[Music]" that's actually a scene clip from Oliver Stone's 1991 JFK and the conversation is with Jim Garrison the district attorney of Orleans Parish Louisiana during his investigations into the assassination of President John F Kennedy
9:03 again to highlight and your audience to keep in mind quote is that why now that's a real question isn't it why the how and the who is just scenery for the public prevents from asking the most important question why who benefited who has the power to cover it up who okay so now I'll give him my personal linkage to JFK via Ted Sorensen through my meeting his sister Ruth while serving at Embassy yonde Cameroon 1993-1995. to Senator Ted Kennedy who I knew and met while on an apps a congressional Fellowship 2005 to 2006. and even to JFK Jr via and due to the August 7 1998 East Africa Embassy
10:01 bombings and the same long wedding weekend of August 7 through 9 1998 he JFK Jr attended as documented by the August 10 1998 Washington Post article by William drozdiak called the ultimate joint statement I want to focus on that aspect also realizing with such things as this and as I've described previously just like pulling the proverbial right string in an audit the entire sweater unravels once you have the camel's nose Under the Tent when by this small seemingly innocuous detail opens the door to the larger and in this case the much larger clearly nefarious acts being exposed connecting the dots the right dots of
11:02 what I call the one long continuum okay so fast forward just recently in July on July 13 2022 to be exact I became aware of and watched the entire documentary called Cold Case hammershrolled and to understand and this is 2019. to understand and see how all the pieces together all fit together I highly recommend you and your audience do the same as well particularly to pick up these pieces of the puzzle this documentary was made by Danish director mods brugaire and Swedish private investigator Goran uh jordahl this documentary tries to solve the mysterious death of dog hammerschold the U.N Secretary General
12:20 over the course of their investigation they discover a crime with even further reaching consequences it's incredible the links made Kennedy dog Hummer sold plane crash death September 18 1961 August 1998 August 7 1998 so many linkages past a present and current day including potentially franchi himself HIV AIDS covid and wow again the CIA British Germans but wait there's even more again realizing what such things as this and as I've described previously just like pulling the proverbial right string in an audit the entire sweater unravels once you have the camel's nose Under the Tent this seeming small seemingly innocuous detail opens
13:22 the door for the larger clearly nefarious acts and once again the players the exact same players involved being exposed and look at this yet another event that I would like to share and that I just recently came across soon after watching this cold case Hammer should 2019 documentary I came across this the recently released 2022 Netflix 4 episode series are ready for this Netflix DB Cooper where are you regarding the 1971 1971 a Skyjacker parachutes off a plane with a bag of stolen cash and gets away with it decades later his identity remains a compelling mystery
14:51 so I'm like this is interesting so as I was watching it for the first time I was like wait a minute what was the date November 24th 1971. wait a minute that date fits it fits in the timeline of events I previously remarked on regarding JFK through RFK through Watergate it fits in the timeline of events so this was before Watergate break-in and after jfrfk's staged assassination of June 6 1968. oh my goodness just like JFK black operation for his being saved protected during the November 22nd 1963 assassination attempt DB Cooper was a black operation in
15:43 regards to affiliated with what I'm referring to as phase two in regards to getting Justice regarding the only real murder assassination that took place in Dallas Texas on November 22 1963 during the legal definition of conspiracy to assassinate the president of the United States and that was the murder assassination of Dallas police officer JD Tippett my conjecture D.B Cooper this too was a related black operation so the second time I'm watching this series I was looking for more specific Clues and once you cleared out all of what I call the noise you can see it
16:30 first of all I found the lawyer Mark Zayed who I personally contacted regarding my own case my own situation and he did nothing to assist me being front and center of this Netflix documentary interesting very interesting as a matter of fact then Jonah mendez's involvement given my previous remarks regarding her in release relations to her being one of the so-called quote 51 intelligence experts that came out with the public statement before the 2020 election regarding Hunter Biden laptop being Russian disinformation and again linkages to my own case my own situation very interesting okay this is becoming more than just a coincidence so
17:27 as I'm watching more and more comes to light but not necessarily what's being focused in on in terms of the objective of this Netflix narrative I'm picking up puzzle pieces the date still not solved to this date by the FBI the necktie just like who RFK his necktie the previous Comet and the Cold Case how much are the Ace of Spades the necktie and then it hit me oh my goodness wait a minute how did Parkland Dr Charles Crenshaw by the way Crenshaw like U.S Navy SEAL current congressman from Texas Dan Crenshaw right how did Dr Charles Crenshaw describe it
18:17 quote the second wound was here in the front right above the necktie end quote wait the use of a plane just like 1961 dog Hummer should plane crash the money you know like later follow the money the cover story for what deep throat was really about JFK's deep throat wound Hoover Dam the recent 2022 explosion asked to be flown where Mexico City like Oswald then even more even given the task force task force comprised of just like the August 7 1998 East Africa Embassy bombing task force comprised of that we went over which was prior to 9 11 2001 this
19:14 applicable DB Cooper task force had retired folks from military law enforcement Intelligence Officers confirmed usage of military coding even but that gets to even the name cooper cooper you mean like William Cooper Cooper like DB Cooper the Canadian connection again like Winston Churchill's osscia Osos OSS that was supposedly terminated by Truman but obviously not President Truman supposedly signed executive order 9621 terminating the OSS on September 20th 1945 but if OSS CIA was always a British Churchill construct it was not terminated that was 1945 operational ever since wait so again when did U.S President John F Kennedy acting under
20:14 authorization granted by an act of Congress Proclaim Churchill an honorary citizen of the United States on April 9 1963 but Churchill was unable to attend the White House ceremony huh so wait a minute then Winston Churchill was an actual honorary U.S citizen huh then the comic book Belgium French like the Congo Cooper like the Congo copper like the Congo wait and where was the 1961 U.N Secretary General Dog hammerschold's plane crash the Congo wait was this like a mission impossible moment publicly and openly quote accepting the mission was this really an open and public money transfer to pay for the mission the mission being including Watergate and
21:15 getting Justice for murder Dallas police officer JD Tippett and getting additional co-conspirators and actual accomplishes to the November 22nd 1963 JFK assassination attempt given the timeline of events the entities individuals involved wait a minute parachutes four parachutes to be exact just like the four parachutes that were used to lower JFK's bronze coffin into sea on February 18 1966 off the Maryland Delaware Coast This falls into the timeline of events JFK assassination event attempt USS Liberty attack June 8 1967 RFK staged assassination Watergate with Churchill now deceased whatever this threat was it was continuing now this 1961 Cold Case
22:18 hammercial documentary linkages and my conjecture regarding JFK assassination attempt by who it's all there and all the pieces fit without pushing the pieces to fit they all simply fall into place DB Cooper was a black operation the open overt messaging purpose the covert black real purpose and again no one got hurt as a result of their black operation just like their JFK black operation those guilty of the murder of JD Tippett and others will now be brought to Justice this 1971 DB Cooper was not what it appeared to be it's once again an illusion in plain sight a successful
23:18 illusion since supposedly still not solved by the FBI still to this day hmm maybe that's why the deception of it being FBI Mark felt as deep throat when it really wasn't and based on my previous remarks regarding Washington Post U.S Navy Ben Bradley U.S Navy Bob Woodward my conjecture being that the deep throat contact was not FBI Mark felt but none other than and really RFK given what deep throat was really referencing referring to the JFK black operation secondary throat wound but even more to have removed Nixon the president of the United States of America because of his apparent
24:17 involvement being at the meeting the night before the November 22nd 1963 JFK assassination attempt in Dallas Texas but by doing so violating Nixon's due process constitutional rights and prohibiting the American people from being able to hear President Nixon's side of the story his possibly being set up was he set up in and when attending that meeting my conjecture yes he was and as I am re and as I remarked in the August 17 2022 podcast with Christi Tasker of Patriots perspective given Trump's Pro pre-scheduled multi-hour Wednesday August 10 2022 sworn deposition with the New York attorney general when he took the Fifth Amendment
25:14 over 40 440 times just days after the Mar-A-Lago FBI raid that FBI raid was not about what Trump had it's about what Trump knows particularly in light of and including when President Nixon resigned he supposedly soon after flew to New York to meet with Donald Trump for those that have not had a chance to listen to Christy and Mai August 17 2022 podcast I highly recommend that you do so it's on Christie's Patriot perspective website the podcast dated Wednesday August 17 2022 called what is the FBI lie really about really after it's all interlinked interconnected now
26:06 by the time of this DB Cooper November 24 1971 the most heavily traveled day the eve before Thanksgiving even JFK's Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara was no longer Secretary of Defense so who was Melvin Laird so was he involved did he was he the one to authorize to approve this black operation GB Cooper and given Laird's Congressional background so after watching this Netflix series for the second time I started researching and contacting those individuals identified throughout the series to include the vortex and voila I discovered this thank you and voila I discovered this and listened to this accordingly it's the interview on the Cooper vortex
27:44 it's a podbeam.com DB Cooper was special forces Bruce A Smith dated October 20th 2018. Bruce A Smith is the author of DB Cooper and the FBI a case study of America's only unsolved skyjacking a must read for any fans of the DP Cooper case and again though I may not agree totally with all that is stated this point we do agree on again with my conjecture further substantiated that DB Cooper was special forces this was a black operation and given the timeline events and what it was really about it was indeed a sanctioned black operation that was successful just as previously given the JFK black operation
28:42 to save our nation to protect our president and to set the trap to catch their intended target so with that I'm now going to play from 34 minutes to 42 minutes of this applicable podcast I recently discovered on and regarding DB Cooper as it is all interlinked and interconnected and I would offer very relevant still to this day and again though I do not agree with all the comments made it is still telling just the same with the point the main point I do agree that DB Cooper was special forces and in my opinion that this was this too was actually a sanctioned
29:34 success successful to the mission black operation and I believe not openly solved until now by me I will now play from 34 minutes to 42 minutes "[Music]" class is dead foreign it's hard for me to see the I think that's close enough that it's it's got a it's got to be respectful and sacred and and have substance to it and there's a great hunger for that and NPR radio is really leading the charge in that and there are a number of shows and there are spin-offs from the malls and I would say the moth runs 150 venues and there's
30:57 got to be an equal number of spin-offs from that so there's hunt literally hundreds of places for storytellers like me to go and tell personal stories about our families Our Lives growing up lessons I've learned um and it's part of a Resurgence of truthfulness in this country then truth is distorted what is true you know and then the cooper in cooper world we can't even agree on what the facts of the DB Cooper case are none of them yeah so you know so the craziness the craziness is massive you know so I think what we're seeing is is that we're we're looking we're fine Kindred Spirits
31:43 are seeking each other out and so I see overlap between my DB Cooper work my journalism and my storytelling so this whole thing about DB Cooper and me and what I'm doing and how I got into it it's it's part of a larger a larger story what do you want to know I want to know everything everything my God okay well let me start at the ending we'll work our way backwards and I'll tell you who what I see is the key facts or the overarching themes or compelling information and I'll start with who I think DB Cooper is I'll work away work my way backwards DB Cooper
32:41 knew more about jumping out of an airplane with a parachute then the pilots anybody in Flight controlled a Northwestern and the guys actually flying the plane had to be reassured by the CIA it's like yeah you guys are going to be able to fly a 727 with the app stairs down because we do that all the time over here in Vietnam well Cooper even knew the plane could take off with the stairs down Bingo right exactly they wouldn't even do that right and that was really secret I don't even know if Boeing knew that Boeing probably did but Boeing had
33:23 already conducted lots of flight tests with the upstairs down because that was a selling point to the military and those tests took place not too far away at Moses lake at their special facility out there in the middle of the high desert and so it is plausible it is reasonable to assume that D.B Cooper had covert operation experience Commando Special Forces SEAL Team Six Delta Force Green Berets pick CIA pick whatever special you know group you want and when you talk to the guys who are in Special Forces and do this kind of work for a living they're absolutely convinced that DB Cooper is one of them and they got names you know and they're convinced I mean
34:15 they're convinced they're gonna be Ted Braden oh Ted was crazy as one guy told me he says 10 10 had gone ads bigger than watermelons you know and that's and there's a lot of respect for DB Cooper um in special forces in the Special Operations group there's an organization called Mac V sag that I write about extensively and they have begun writing about themselves extensively and snowman helped me extensively in researching snowman's capacity to find people to get information contact information email addresses telephone numbers physical addresses and things like that was superb I've I don't know how many laws were broken by snowman if any but
35:04 I'm sure he found every back door that that is a back door to whoever's information may maybe him and Zuckerberg or you know play chess together every Monday afternoon I don't know but snowman's access to information is unparalleled and he shared him and my book could not have been written to the extent that it was with that snowman's help and what I know about McAfee song and Commandos and special forces in Vietnam in 727s and the special tests and everything that was going on um is pretty much attributable to Snowman and it's clear to me that if DB
35:43 Cooper wasn't a Commando then he had relationships or contact with Commando or commando-like guys Special Forces Special Operations kinds of people could be family he could have known where they were drinking and he was a bartender and he just listened with really good ears and he was really creative on a bone it could be something as simple as that but he had access to their information and he had access to that Brotherhood um because his behavior was pretty slick yeah that's something when you say it's a special forces guy that I really agree with because he stayed calm cool and collected oh yeah
36:24 through the whole thing oh yeah and when you read other accounts of other hijackings the copycats like Hanuman or McNally and that information is now coming out because these guys are out of prison and they're not telling their story The McNally have you heard the McNally podcasts no I didn't listen to that all right um you really see it's fascinating it's hard to listen to McNally was one of the last copycats and he's a real Criminal and acknowledges that he's really clear about being a bad boy and sticking a gun in someone's face and how how he decided to be aggressive and
37:06 violent and and his his perspective on self-preservation this is what I need to do and you're in my way and I've got the gun and you don't and that's just how it is you know Cooper was vastly more sophisticated vastly more successful and it suggests his command of his environment was unparalleled he was with passengers for hours he was with Tina and the flight crew for five hours and he kept everybody calm he kept he kept the whole situation under control they even said he was friendly friendly he was nice that's Tina's word nice he was nice guy
37:55 never broke a sweat no it's reasonable to assume that if Cooper had extensive relationship or context with the Special Forces community to learn the information that he knew it's also plausible that he had relationships to draw upon for support particularly in a getaway and there's compelling information that there were extraction teams created to get Cooper out of there so when no one since Cooper had a 40-hour headstock before anybody was in the ground in the woods looking for him not a bad head start not a bad head start train Commandos can do a lot with 40 hours um
38:49 and particularly you know so they may have had state-of-the-art communication gear and transportation and um do you think they were active duty just now now we're going down into the deeper rabbit hole we are at a underground Crossroads my friend because if you go down that road but Rabbit Hole where they active duty then they were either on a on an app that this was sanctioned by somebody right that's a pretty deep rabbit hole or they were freelancing on company time which is a pretty deep Rabbit Hole too because the military I don't think is all that cozy with a
39:41 bunch of secretive trained operatives all taken a weekend pass the buzz out of Vietnam go home for the weekend and come on back hijack an airplane and go back to work you know and fly into thompsonwood airport on Sunday night and Thanksgiving weekend you know um that's to do that and not attract attention I think it's kind of hard to because it only takes one hard ass to blow the deal so I it's hard to think that this was a freelance job on company time that's my last option it's possible but it's my last option I think it's more plausible that this these were
40:50 so now an update to the timeline of events to include adding November 24th 1971 DB Cooper a black operation because it's all interrelated and it's all interconnected so soon to continue our journey as we now proceed to part seven of this series
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